Christian conservatives discuss strategy for fighting war against gays: Start with semantics
Updated April 14 at 12:08 p.m. EST with a correction to a quote that was previously misattributed.
Updated at 11:00 p.m. EST with a video clip of Ryan Sorba explaining his views on the word “gay.”
The first step for Christian conservatives to win the war against the gay movement is to rebrand the terms, said a few panelists at this weekend’s The Awakening conference at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va.
“‘Gay’ is a left-wing socio-political construct designed to create grounds for fundamental rights [based on] whimsical capricious desires,” said Ryan Sorba, chairman of the Young Conservatives of California. “Gay identity does not exist.”
Sorba proposed alternatives to the word “gay,” which received approval by a unanimous show of hands by the 40-some audience members:
- “Same-sex attraction”
- “Same-sex intercourse”
- “Unnatural vice”
Later in the discussion, it was suggested that gays should also be referred to as “anti-Christian.”
The one self-described ex-gay on the panel, Greg Quinlan — who founded the Pro Family Network in 1996 and is now the president of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) but spent his gay years lobbying for the LGBT-rights group Human Rights Campaign – explained that his foray into homosexuality was caused by abuse from his father and looking at Playboy magazine as a young boy.
“Feelings change, and they don’t define you,” Quinlan said, noting that through counseling he was able to re-orient his sexual attraction, which led to a heterosexual marriage (he’s now divorced).
“If you had all the facts, you wouldn’t choose to be gay,” Quinlan, 52, said. “When you live a lie, you tell a lie. Truth is not a philosophy. Truth is a person, and his name is Jesus Christ. Tell the truth in love, but it isn’t love until you tell the truth.”
As a board member of PFOX, he proposed a resolution to PepsiCo Inc. shareholders (PDF) in 2010, asking the corporation to rescind their funding to the Parents and Families, Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG), because he claimed they promote intolerance to the ex-gay community and protest against religious conferences featuring ex-gay speakers. He has also spoken before the Disney Board of Directors, pushing a resolution to include ex-gays in the company’s mandatory sexual orientation diversity training for employees.
Quinlan works with the New Jersey Family Policy Council to protect “natural marriage,” defined as the “union of one man and one woman” and has defended this idea of marriage in 20 states, according to his biography (PDF). Most recently, he spoke before the Maryland House of Delegates at a public hearing on gay marriage, leading up to the defeat of a same-sex marriage bill in the state that, despite passage in the Senate and expected passage in the House, was suddenly returned to the judiciary committee on March 11.
The gay war
Sorba blamed the Republicans for losing what he calls a “war” promulgated by the homosexual lobby.
“Our movement decided to abandon the real issue of homosexual behavior … with our major focus around protecting the word marriage,” Sorba said.
For the panelists, the biggest “gay threat” is not just over Christian ideology but over national security.
Matt Barber, the panel’s moderator and a dean at Liberty University, said he served in the military for 12 years. Barber made a case that promoting gays in the military presents a national threat because most gay military men will be more focused on their attraction to other men than on their military duties, saying it comes down to the soldier who “has your back or the one who wants to rub it.”
He also brought up the argument that the high rate of HIV and AIDS in the gay community presents a health risk when it comes to battlefield transfusions.
“Homosexuality is the greatest threat to the criminalization of Christianity,” said Robert Knight, executive director for the American Civil Rights Union and a former editor of the Los Angeles Times.
Knight said the idea of sexual orientation gives “baggage” to the issue by promoting the notion that people are born a certain way. “Everyone saying otherwise is therefore defined as a bigot,” he said but noted that sexual identity is not akin to race or ethnicity.
In a recent Washington Times column, Knight presented a hypothetical scenario of a child witnessing two male Marines kissing in a shopping mall:
Boy: “Look, mom, those Marines are, uh, making out right there in the food court! I’m not sure I want to be a Marine after all.”
Liberal mom: “Well, that’s a relief. I didn’t want you to be in the military anyway. All those guns give me the creeps. But why do you find this odd? Are you some kind of religious bigot? Honestly, we’re going to have to call your school and ask them to step up the tolerance training. You won’t even wear that nice polka-dot dress and the pumps I bought you.”
Despite efforts from Knight’s Center for Military Readiness and other groups to fight the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” that bans openly gay Americans from serving in the military — the repeal will go into effect 60 days after President Obama, the secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that the gay-ban reversal will not be harmful to military operations — top officers told Congress Thursday that training for the repeal “has been less painful than expected.”
And then there are the state and federal anti-bullying initiatives.
Calling it a “massive wedge issue,” Quinlan said he testified against the anti-bullying initiative in New Jersey.
“The homosexual lobby is shamelessly hijacking this bullying issue,” he said. “[They're inserting] a sexual anarchist agenda into public schools under the guise of bullying. … Here’s what bully is, folks: negative malicious behavior, repeated over a period of time, in which there is an imbalance of power between the bully and the victim. What are the other distinguishing characteristics? … I was bullied, not because I was gay or a sissy, but because I was super-skinny.”
Same-sex orientation: ‘hedonism repackaged’
All the panelists’ arguments over why there’s a war with gays and why Christians must win it goes back to sin.
“A civil right that conflicts with natural right is no right at all,” Sorba said. “”The [homosexual] behavior is immoral. It divides you from truth and what’s the meaning of life. If you don’t have truth, you have nothing but fake.”
Barber called same-sex orientation “hedonism repackaged.”
Referring to the “T” in LGBT, which stands for “transgender,” Barber quipped: “It’s the emperor wears no clothes meets George Orwell. … Why stop at transgender identity? Why not species identity — someone wants to get in touch with their inner horse.”
“What are going to be the rights of we homophobes?” asked an audience member, explaining her use of the word “homophobe” was sarcastic.
The response from the panel was that they just have to wait for the homosexuals to “self-destruct.”
Cynthia Dunbar, assistant law professor at Liberty University, said conservative Christians need to embrace homosexuals.
“We have to reach out to those trapped in lifestyle that ultimately leads to death,” she said, ignoring the fact that all lifestyles ultimately lead to death. “Liberty is not the ability to do whatever hedonistic ideas you have. Whoever’s defining the terms is going to win the argument.”
But Christians also need to fight the homosexual agenda, she said.
“There are a lot of gay staffers in Congress,” Knight* said. “They work all hours and they tend not to have family lives, but they have veto power.”
*Previously TAI attributed this quote to Cynthia Dunbar. We regret the error.
Read The American Independent’s full coverage of The Awakening 2011 conference.
Dear Sodom & Gomorrah and Saved by His Blood. Thank you for standing up for your faith. You eloquently make the case for why you and your religion should be completely ignored by intelligent people. Allow me to quote the complete text of what Jesus had to say on this matter.
And there you have it. Who can argue with that. I suggest you follow suit.
So if you are your body and nothing else, there is no soul (abstract consciousness), and when the body dies, you die. So why care where someone puts their penis? And if it’s about the sexual activity and not the identity, unless you’re in their bedroom with them, there’s no way for you to know whether or not someone is gay. Haha.
The Bible says plenty about homosexuality…
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
*The above verse reveals that unsaved & therefore unrepentant homosexuals do indeed go to hell, but the verse that follows it reveals that many have repented and received Jesus Christ and therefore will be saved. However, this means they are no longer PRACTICING homosexuals…
1 Corinthians 6:11 – “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (yes, homosexuals were stoned under the old covenant, fortunately Jesus Christ put an end to man’s reliance on the law).
Romans 1:26-27 – “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” (that penalty is hell and this is the new covenant. All must accept that they are sinners, understanding that the wages of sin is death, receive God’s ONLY provision for reconciliation with Him– Jesus Christ for salvation of the soul, and then reject their former sin lifestyles be they gay, adulterers, liars, etc., etc)
John 14:6- Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
No one will see the face of God unless they have made Jesus Christ their Lord and Savior. John 1:1,14 states- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jesus is the everlasting Lord, His is the Word I have presented to you, and He is God in the Flesh. 2Timothy 3:16-17 says- All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Trust in God’s Word. And remember what the Word of God says about the unbeliever…
1Corinthians 1:18- For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Psalm 14:1- The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
There are none who do good. This is why YOU need a savior, because your good works are filthy rags without the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who died and was raised up from death conquering evil. Salvation is a free gift to all, gay or straight, but the condition of your heart before God will determine if you receive it at the time of your pleading. Repentence, for ALL those who truly come to Christ will follow as a result of your love for God and the strength of His spirit within you. Go to Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, and ask Him to enter your heart and life. He will and you will receive life eternal! God bless!
addendum: you will see the face of God at the “White Throne Judgement” prior to being cast into Hell should you reject Jesus Christ as Lord & Savior. You will not be with God.
SwordoftheSpirit: your post pretty much means all Republican politicians are going to Hell. Thanks for the confirmation!
If you’ve read the bible, studied it, you will know that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah wasn’t about sexual deviance. Biblically speaking, a Sodomite was one who was selfish, rude, and inhospitable. Again, sounds a lot like modern day Republicans.
Lastly, I could be construed as a liberal mom, since I have many liberal viewpoints, although I’ve also been called a conservative for my conservative viewpoints, and my oldest son wants to join the Army to become a helicopter pilot. I’m 100% in his corner. Do you know why? Because regardless of politics, I support my children and encourage them to do what’s right for them.
Jesus said to love each other.
These people are full of hate.
@SwordOfTheSpirit — as has been noted before, the Levitical passages were explicitly given in the context of the surrounding Egyptian and Canaanite cultures where same-sex activities were conducted as part of pagan worship rites. (These also are referenced in passages in Deut. and 1&2 Kings.) Similarly, Paul wrote to a culture where same-sex activity was conducted in the context of prostitution, temple rites, and pederasty. (In the original Greek, some of the words used specifically connote activities conducted purely for self-gratification … e.g. solely out of lust or for pay.)
If you want to interpret verses condemning shrine prostitution and pederasty as applying to all same-sex relationships, that is your right. But most people see fundamental distinctions between those kinds of activities and the loving, committed, monogamous same-gender relationships we’re discussing here. And your pronouncements, which don’t address any of the valid points raised by interpretations that take context into account, aren’t going to change anyone’s minds. It just makes you look like someone who has way too high an opinion of their own discernment and understanding of God’s will.
Equal Rights for ALL!
What kind of person wants to take away another persons rights?
Homosexuality happens in nature. It’s normal, it’s natural. Get over it!
Woo-hoo, more right-winged nut jobs making Jesus look bad!
Hey Rick, thanks for your ertenist in this subject. I am sorry you have had a bad experience in the modern churches of today, but join the club, so have I. This doctrine of hell is not a religious thing but something Jesus was crystal clear about. The context of your example in Luke 9 is that the time for judgment is in the future, Jesus came the first time to be Savior. And Savior from what and for who? Exactly what He said in the verses I posted in the blog. In fact, Jesus said in Mark 9 that He came to give His life a ransom for MANY(not all). Another great reference is that of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16. Jesus describes hell pretty well and those who are there are in agony . But, as the one in hell is told, a warning is not necessary for those who dismiss Moses(the Law) and the prophets(Scripture). If they ignore this, then even someone coming back from the dead will not believe.That is where I fear you are Rick. Please do not ignore the Law on your heart convicting you of sin. And the clear warning in scripture of the existence of hell. Jesus died to be your Savior. You do not want to stand before God on judgment day(when you die) based on your own righteousness. Only the righteousness of Christ is sufficient to be justified before a perfectly holy and just God. Jesus died for you, while you were still a sinner. Do not reject this, as today is the day of salvation.Thanks and God bless
Who is this “Matt Barber, a Dean at Liberty University”? I looked him up, but there is no one there by that name. What department is he in?
Oh, BTW, those people who love to quote from the bible (especially the book of Leviticus), should really consider reading it more carefully. They might be surprised to find out that they’re as doomed to hell as they claim we are. Besides, I don’t remember any of those “Christians” using anything from the old testament unless they could use it against others in hateful ways.
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
I’m an atheist myself, but I think perhaps this quotation says it all.
Jesus Christ got together with other men every night, kissed them, and drank wine with them. He went around proclaiming peace, and blessing everyone, EVEN the lepers.
well mr sword of the spirit…I spent 16 hard years in a southern baptist church. So I do know a thing or two about what you are writing here. The difference between you and I however is, I understand that the bible is to be interpreted not taken literal. If you were to take your bible literal, then what part are you to listen to. Because if you read the bible it contradicts it’s self so many times that anyone can get confused on what they are trying to say.I am an aunt of a beautiful, smart and wonderful gay nephew. His mother like you is ignorant and doesn’t understand that this wasn’t a choice for him. Those of you that say that a person chooses to be gay are misinformed. Did you choose to be straight? Was that some thing that was taught to you? I don’t think so! I am a straight mother, who has raised her son to like people for who they are…not what religion they are, not what color of skin they have and certainly not whom they sleep with. The important lesson that I learned when I was in church was to be kind to people. That you should treat people like you would want them to treat you. And furthermore, the last time that I checked, it states in your bible that god is the only one who can pass judgement. So with that said…perhaps you should leave the gay community ALONE!
I know what you mean. We’ve had the same eeixrpence.I’m curious as to why “we” on the field are the ones that are perceived as “spiritually immature” and have nothing of value to offer.I mean we don’t need all those programs, music groups, preaching on the airwaves, etc. to be “spiritual” or have personal worship. We just need the Lord and our Bible. We seem to manage to stay in these tough places….Our newbies went home!Now, I’m really concerned about my spiritually maturity?
the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hnugry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. (verses 16-21). These are all ethical commands, not commands to rid ourselves of the physical realm of the earth.Another example: We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God” (1 Corinthians 2:12)The next verse tells us what Paul means: This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. So, the world that Paul is referring to is not the physical place, but the human wisdom that opposes the wisdom taught by the Spirit. “Christ gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age.” (Galatians 1:4).The verse does not say world, it rightfully says, poneros aion, “evil age.” I talk about this in that post on the EXODUS. Yes, Christ rescues us from the present evil age, but that is an ETHICAL category, not an ontological category.”You were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world.” (Ephesians 2:1-2)This passage, I believe, shows that the issue is not the world (as in the ontological PLACE), but with the WAYS of this world (as in the ETHICAL actions of the fallen people in the world).Still not convinced? Then let Pauls words to Timothy sink in: The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. (1 Tim 4:1-4)This has been a great conversation. Thanks!
of them. What was once a supposed uorewfpl tool used for drawing in non-believers has turned into a chance for weekly ecstatic outbursts of the charismatically faithful.2) The code of silence since the bible was completed. Again, there are different schools of thought on this one as well. I’ll do my best to explain. A) The Bible was the complete and perfect word of God; no more communication is needed from him now that we have it in its completed form. A 2,000 year old (I’m exaggerating the time) love letter filled with rules and seemingly impossible stories doesn’t cut it for me. I want just one sign that he is real and he did what the bible says he did. I can’t just look at a tree and say, Oh, there you are Jesus. Science has removed that option. The proof is not in the product, no matter how many times I read the Psalms or Romans. I just find it hard to believe that he has been silent for this long. No miracles (as far as I am concerned), no messages, no updates, nothing. Why? Is there nothing else to say? I’d at least say hi if I wanted someone to believe in my existence or they stand the chance to burn for eternity. B) God still speaks through prophecy, natural disasters, visions, dreams, feelings and other chance happenings. I can’t say that I have ever experienced a credible conversation with God via any of these avenues I cited. It goes hand-in-hand with the miracle problem, honestly.To sum it up, I think the bible has placed its followers into an impossible position with the following scriptures: See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.” Colossians 2:8 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: He catches the wise in their craftiness; 1 Corinthians 3:19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:28The bible is brilliant in that it explains to its followers that there will be those that doubt, but don’t worry about it. They aren’t spiritual; therefore they don’t get spiritual stuff. Some might even make a whole lot of sense with their crazy philosophical speak, but if it ain’t Jesus don’t pay it no mind. (I know that’s tacky, sorry.) And then on top of that it claims that God can be detected by just looking at the world, duh. And last, the most impossible of all things, don’t have wondering thoughts. How many young and old men have been racked with guilt over this one verse? Too many, I assume. Thinking nasty is NOT as bad as doing nasty . It’s just not. Even if I were to ever fully return to the fold, these are issues I would still have. The fact that miracles don’t seem to happen today (as far as I can tell); God’s seemingly 2,000 year silent treatment; and the loopholes/impossible demands the bible has. Anyway, thanks for talking with me. Jonathan
o sword of the spirit. maniacs like yourself choose to believe that gay people choose a “gay lifestyle”. in my case you couldn’t be more correct. after i broke up with a woman after 10 years, my gay brother took me to a gay bar. let me say that 30 years ago i was HOT. 6pack abs, a nine inch dick, long blond hair and the cutest face you ever did see. i had to fight those fags off. before i settled down with one them, i had sex with over 700,yes, seven hundred men. in san francisco you can find as many partners as you can get it up for. i sure as hell made the right choice and you don’t have a clue how wonderful it all was. hell is what you make of your own life. heaven is doing what you please when you want to.
Explain whiptails, God’s loving lesbian lizards that reproduce with full same-sex courtship. No, go ahead. I’ll wait for you to flip through your non-existent Bible and copypasta anti-gay slogan sites.
God’s a sinner, correct?
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This is great news! When people such as the “Christian” conservatives in this article start whining about semantics, it means that they know they’re losing and are madly scrambling about for something — anything — that might help, no matter how silly. We’re merely seeing a repeat of the earlier “Christian” conservative fight to stop interracial marrage. Some people never learn…
Anyone else ever wonder why “Christian” conservatives are so obsessed with sodomy? They talk about anal sex more than everyone else I know combined. It’s like they’re the Chatty Cathys of teh buttseks — just instead “I love you” it’s all “Sodomy!!!,” all the time.
Good thing there are plenty of open and accepting Christians who actually follow Jesus and keep these puerile would-be pietists from making everyone else look bad.
How about we rebrand “social conservative” as “Uptight anal-retentive bigot”?
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“Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction. Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don’t have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it’s wonderful when someone says, “I’m willing, Lord! I’ll do whatever you want me to do!” Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas. And anyone who tells you they know, I promise you, they don’t. How can I be so sure? Because I don’t know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not. The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that’s what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting things dead wrong. This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and realize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you actually comes at a terrible price. If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you’d resign in protest.”
I do recognize the value religion may have in someone’s life, especially, if he or she needs a forum or guidance or was raised in it. But, I don’t support it in my government. I appreciated the above quote from a documentary. I wanted to be original, but that would require more time spent with this article than I’m willing to spend.
you know we are a christian nation. it says so in the constitution. first amendment, and i quote “Fuck the fags and fuck the nonchristians. if you don’t like america you can GETOUT!” I may have paraphrased…
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A TRANSGENDER SPIN-OFF
I’m a little kid and I feel that inside of me there is a real adult.
Yes, I have what you could say is an “adult identity.” I know I was born an adult because I never did choose to be an adult.
Since I’m really, really an adult deep down inside, why is it I’m not allowed to go to “adult only” places and act like adults?
I mean, kids in Palestine can carry adult guns. Kids in other Muslim places can cut off heads in videos. And kids in San Francisco can watch gays having sex in public, so why can’t “adult” kids like me act like those adults?
If a man can be the “woman” inside of him, and if a woman can be the “man” she says is inside of her, I demand to live out the “adult identity” that I know is really, really inside of me!
Since a cat may think he’s the “mouse” inside of him, and since our “Christian” President can be the “Muslim” inside of him, I demand the right to be the transbeing adult that was inside of me even before I was born!
signed, Charlie (I mean – Mr. Brown)
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You are quite wrong about the atrschniit Apollanarius his type of atrschniit teaching was that the “the logos” was the substituted mind in a “human sensitive soul”, a kind of division between though and emotion; so he also did not believe that Jesus came “in the flesh” either. The problem was when atrschniits departed from using the standard of the bible all kinds of false teaching that qualify as an atrschniit teach started to emerge since there no long was the standard that “Jesus came in the flesh”. But all who believe in Hypostatic Union are atrschniits the Bible teaches this (John 4: 1-3). The Hypostastic Union crowd do not believe that Jesus came in the flesh they are using the word incarnation incorrectly to mean inpsychation since they believe that the Messiah came into a man (i.e. a human soul) and NOT in the flesh; compare how Pual understood the phase “in the flesh” (Philipians 1: 19-30 You will not find any mysterious union in his understanding of the phase “in the flesh”.). From the beginning Satan has misleadingly implied to Eve that she would be like God. And Moses warded Is real repeatedly NOT to Warship other gods even placing into the Ten Commandments that He is Jealous God as a warning. Logically you should not come to an opinion which would make the charges that had lead to Jesus’ crucifixion out to be true, you should not come to opinion which would resemble the deification of the Roman Emperors nor should you come to agree with the Greek Philosophers who disputed Paul over the idea that flesh was inferior. And one last point just ground logic, it would make no sense for salvation to be by the crucifixion and resurrection if a human could be saved by his own works (Galatian 3: 21) since they claim that Jesus is human but what is the biblical view “not from a man nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ” (Galatian 1: 1). As for the word tempted this Greek word is tested and it’s used also of The Father as well. Many have taught that the title The Son of man is a claim to being human but if you look in context “What if you should see The Son of man ascend to where he was at first” (John 6: 62) within context of the same scroll “the first” is a reference to the prolog of this scroll (John 1: 2). It should not seem odd to you that God would give himself a title like this since He had mad man after his own image and likeness sort of like making man according to His own blue-print. You asked why should this matter? Let me ask you something, do you want to study the bible only to end up in hell? Because if you believe in Hypostatic Union that is where you’re going, the letter of John is so clear against Antichrists that John’s latter warns believers not to even greet them; that pretty strong. The bible writes to struggle to enter the narrow way and few are they that find it; I can see by the comments on this site and many others that this is indeed unfortunately true!!!!
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Yep, exactly. The fact that the guy eantwd to punch Knepper is a giveaway as to his real problem, which isn’t politics. That, and his response to why he feels the need to attack homosexuality: Because it corrupts the youth and the culture. Like drugs and rock n’roll? And other indulgent, liberating things, hmm?
Mrs. Popcorn, I only want to voice my opinion rpefectsully and not debate with you about anything i have to say on the matter. So here it goes there are just a couple things I’d like to touch on that you’ve pointed out and might possibly get you thinking from a different perspective. First being the verse in Deuteronomy regarding the bastard he is surely not referring to the children and grandchildren of interracial relationships. Also, This verse is found in the old testament, before jesus. This was written in accordance to the old testament laws by an author living in a completely different time. a0Since then, Jesus came and died to set us free from these old laws. Romans 7:6 which is part of the NEW testament says this, and I absolutely love this, but now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit, and not in the old way of the written code also, in Romans 6:14 it says for sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. one more! Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. therefore, we have been set free by these old laws through the sacrifice of jesus Christ! And these versus I just provided stand true against those versus you provided regarding the vineyard and cattle gendering with a diverse kind.In regards to the hipocracy comment, That’s a good point! But we must remember, we are sinful by nature and not perfect. It’s impossible to lead a perfect life as Jesus did, and actually very hard to lead a life even close to how he did. So a lot of us stumble because it’s hard. In fact, every single one of us do. And you’re right, we should allow God to do and work in us as He sees fit because He is the ultimate judge and some day we will stand before Him and each if us will be judged according to our deeds. I agree w you also about the judging bit. No one has a right to judge anyone no matter what it’s about, that is God’s job, not ours! And this is for those preachers shouting from the street corners judging people like you say, read Matthew 23:3-12, basically do not listen to these men and humble yourself before the Lord and then you will be exalted.Obviously, I do not agree with your women not having big enough brains comment and think you should be ashamed of yourself.The subject of gay relationships is something I’m still Trying to understand myself so i have no comment on that although I do agree with what you say about it not being a choice and It’s something that just happens to a person. I don’t think anyone wishes anything negative upon themselves like you said and thinks it’s horribly sad that they’re persecuted the way they are.a0a0In conclusion to my comment, there are many things about the bible that we do not understand and never will until we get to heaven. And I would just like to point out that I have just recently been studying it myself and have learned lots! But I have obviously only barely a0scratched the surface. There is still so much for us to learn. Jeremiah 33:3 call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know . So just ask him with truth in your heart and he will show you things! Including answers to your concerns in this blog! And this blog has opened my eyes to some new questions that I have found a lot of answers to. So although it was offensive at times ,weird, I know I’m glad you brought it up so I could search the truths on the matter. Just know above all else, God is the truth, the way and the light, not man and anything he has to say about others.
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