(VIDEO) American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer comes out as AIDS denialist
Adding to an ongoing list of controversial statements, American Family Association President Bryan Fischer is now claiming that HIV is not the cause of AIDS or the AIDS epidemic.
Fischer made the comments Wednesday on his syndicated radio show, Focal Point, during an interview with Peter H. Duesberg, a discredited scientist who also claims that the disease manifestation known as AIDS is not caused by HIV. The apparent cause, according to Fischer and Duesberg — who authored the AIDS denialist manifesto “Inventing the AIDS Virus” — is too much homosexual sex and recreational drug use.
And what evidence does Fisher have that HIV does not cause AIDS?
Fischer: I read a story about Earvin Johnson — Magic Johnson–
Duesberg: Ah, yes.
Fischer: A very prominent diagnosis of AIDS in 1991, I think it was.
Duesberg: That is correct.
Fischer: And everybody thought he’s going to die, he’s going to keel over, he’s going to wither away. And here he is 20 years later — and the article was celebrating the 20th anniversary of his diagnosis. You look at the guy and he is absolutely as healthy as a horse, but he’s been HIV-positive for 20 years and that would fit your theory that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS.
Duesberg: And so are 100 million Americans that been HIV-positive in ’85 — and even now in 2012, it’s still 1 million HIV-positive Americans. On average, they have the same life expectancy as the rest, else otherwise they would have disappeared by now.
What Fischer and Duesberg don’t note in this exchange is important. First, Johnson was never diagnosed with AIDS. He was diagnosed as HIV-positive. AIDS is a clinical manifestation of the disease process caused by the virus — HIV — which includes a significantly compromised immune system and one of several infections not found in people with healthy immune systems. Second, neither Duesberg nor Fischer note that as a very wealthy man, Johnson had access to the best medical care and best medications from the moment of his diagnosis. In fact, that flies in the face of a claim by Duesberg that antiretroviral drugs are toxic and kill more people than HIV itself does.
And finally, neither notes that Johnson himself, on Nov. 7, 1991, denied having AIDS. From CBS News:
“I just want to make it clear, first of all, that I do not have the AIDS disease.”
CBS News also reports that Johnson’s care was overseen in part by Dr. David Ho, the scientist who is credited with discovering protease inhibitors, a powerful drug which stops the virus’ replication process.
The folks at the National Association of People With AIDS are not keen on Fischer’s venture into AIDS denialism either.
“There’s no excuse for denying that the HIV virus causes AIDS,” said Peter Kronenberg, communications director for the Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group. “It’s been accepted for years that HIV passes all the standard tests for identifying an infectious agent as the cause of a disease. With very rare exceptions (which can be traced to other health conditions), the virus is present in all patients who display the complete immune system breakdown that characterizes advanced AIDS. Transmission of the virus to uninfected persons causes steady progression towards AIDS as long as the virus is left untreated and unchecked. When the virus is finally treated, even very advanced AIDS patients come back from the brink of death as their immune systems begin to rebuild themselves. There’s nothing left to prove: HIV causes AIDS.”
Watch the entire exchange between Duesberg and Fischer, courtesy of Right Wing Watch:
Photo: Bryan Fischer at the 2011 Values Voter Summit (AMERICAN INDEPENDENT/Sam Petulla)
He should stick to gospel-grinding and leave Science to the non-delusional.
Search Google for Chic-Fil-A’s financial support of the AFA.
And then never eat Chic-Fil-A again. I’m Disgusted.
You have to remember that the American Family Association was founded by members of the Ku Klux Klan to rally against race mixing and interracial marriage.
“Duesberg: And so are 100 million Americans that been HIV-positive in ’85 — and even now in 2012, it’s still 1 million HIV-positive Americans.”
So 1/3 of American has HIV? He said 100 million have HIV. Not only is he an idiot, he’s an illogical idiot.
Hay I can also say complete lies to and don’t have anything to back it up! AIDS is caused by Peter Ducheberg. I know its true cuz I read it in a book. Not just ANY book, but the BIBLE. I read the Bible so I’m right and you’re wrong.
I spent the last 1:45 going what ? what ? WHAT ? so now I know, AIDS is not caused by HIV but by hard drugs (which apparently contain the virus that causes AIDS ?) and hardcore homosexual drug fueled butt fu**ing machines having sex with thousands of men in a very short time, this conspiracy should be investigated by the government ! with all these full time drug fueled sex machines traveling the world somebody is obviously paying and organizing them as they would have not have enough time to work, probably the HIV drug companies !!!
Well, looks like the right-winged closeted hiv+ preachers will be safe then….Thank You Jesus!!
This author disproves himself. If Magic Johnson has had HIV for over 20 years without developing AIDS, then that tends to show that HIV does not cause AIDS. Not the other way around. Amazing that he just powers forward by conclusively saying that HIV causes AIDS and that Magic Johnson had the best medical treatment available, so he never developed AIDS. What terrible dislogic!
“First, Johnson was never diagnosed with AIDS. He was diagnosed as HIV-positive. AIDS is a clinical manifestation of the disease process caused by the virus — HIV — which includes a significantly compromised immune system and one of several infections not found in people with healthy immune systems. Second, neither Duesberg nor Fischer note that as a very wealthy man, Johnson had access to the best medical care and best medications from the moment of his diagnosis.”
Don’t you see that this author is not making a logical argument? He never explains how HIV causes AIDS, he just asserts it without any proof. Then, he explains that Magic never got AIDS because of “expensive medical care” ooooohh. Just what was this medical care then? This author has no idea what he is talking about.
Duesberg’s argument that HIV does not cause AIDS is two hours long and includes an overwhelming amount of persuasive points. The Magic Johnson example is not even close to the most compelling points. If you have AIDS, you must educate yourself. Start with reading the back of the label for the medication you are prescribed. Most medications prescribed for AIDS patients used to be harmful for your immune system, making your immune system weaker and weaker. If you have a family member or a loved one who is suffering, you must help that person challenge the logic of HIV causing AIDS.
You are being lied to. Wake up!